stevenson, kennedy, roosevelt, even bill clinton, barack obama. the republicans are seen as the party of the landed gentry and the well off, and like to nominate candidates from humble origins, whether it is richard nixon, ronald reagan, certainly herbert hoover, dwight eisenhower, jerry ford, and that is why george h w bush, another man who i like and admire enormously at the personal level -- an incredibly thoughtful man -- he reinforced the perception of the republicans as the party of the landed gentry. it became a problem in 1992. >> which campaign did you dislike the most? >> the 2012 campaign was a pretty bad campaign. >> because? >> i do not think either barack obama or mitt romney really likes politics that much. you have to have people who like politics. >> how can you not like politics and run for president? >> you will have to ask them or their doctors. i do not think either one of them get much joy out of it. >> do you still get joy out of it? >> i do. not as much. there was a time when you would stay up late at night and -- everybody